Venus (love) and Mars (sex) in the 7th House are a strong testimony as well. Mars also squares Mercury, Venus, Pluto and Saturn. Reading Nessus in the houses and signs can provide an individual with different implications. thanks Dawn for your reply. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. HI, Sign up here if you would like to know when Dawn's Foundations e*book will be made available, The Composite Chart and the 12th House: The Ghost at the Door. Venus/Uranus is difficult in the composite, but it doesnt explain your obsession. I am sufficiently haunted. I have to come to grips with it (what you said) altough it is not an easy thing for me when it comes to love (being an Aries lol I want to love with a passion and not just except it as an idea). The only way that you can figure out the main issue of karma in a relationship is to examine the nature of both Nodes and their rulers in the Composite, along with aspects to the Nodes. In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. We feel that very beautiful in our life! The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. Then we hurt each other. Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. Im also interested in anything about twin flame relationships. Because thats what it feels like! Just endings in general. In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. But, our composite chart is weird. From what you said, it seems like perhaps these give the relationship an element of commitment, partnership, and longevity that it wouldnt otherwise have albiet in an unusual, community-oriented way. One thing is certain, and that is planets in the 12th house dont behave like any other. (One expression does not contra-indicate the other.). It also governs much, much more, however. These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory. Since each of us share a natal 12th house dominion, then repeated in a shared composite strength, what you have said in your 12th house explanations all seem to feel so true. So my final question is which method should I look onto (composite or synastry) as they both seem to go into totally different directionsand is it possible to reveal our secret relationship even with composite 12th house? How does the 12th manifest when the planet is also conjunct the Asc? Trust me when I say that I will happily take a man i am less connected to, to allow myself the support I need to thrive in this life. The Sun in 11th house synastry overlay creates an atmosphere of friendship between you. I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! I have been so confused and you describe it so accurately. Telepathy, visiting one another out of body, lucid dreaming where they communicate with one another, strange psychic links and melding of the two energetic bodies. People born with Chiron in the 12th house struggle with their psyche, spirituality, and vulnerability. A lot of native speakers make this same mistake, and worse. With Libra in 12th House, your past life may not be that pleasant. Planets in the 12th can behave in one of several ways. I mentioned Juno because it has a 1 degree conjunction with the Sun. Written in 12thouse Neptunian mystique and eloquence His sun, mercury and chiron is in the 12 house in his natal chart. If we do things out of fear or for security, and we dont listen to the call to step onto our proper path in life, we are serving the ego instead of the soul. House position isnt as strong as the sign of the Moon. Saturn and Uranus both have a lot to say about Aquarius. I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. @ more very amazing thing IF this is still not enough proof: My Moon and Mars conjucts his North Node (fairly tight 2-3 degrees conjuction) His NOrth Node conjucts His own Pluto (good old Pluto might just kill me with his north node conjuction (i wonder if that is the plan here?) I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. thanks you very much Dawn to shed some lights on this! Its more complex than just the composite positions. My husband and I have composite sun conjunct Saturn in the 12th, composite moon conjunct Venus in the 1st. I still remember very clearly how I felt 10 years ago when I first met my former boyfriend. In this relationship, you tend to agree to a no-obligation arrangement from the start. By the way, in progressions, you very clearly see the influence of both planets at work. My 12 is in Leo, along with my Sun, Mercury, Mars and Pluto. They have to learn to work togetherthats the challenge. The 12th house really gives you an opportunity to see behind the veil in such a powerful and beautiful way, to understand not only our existence in this lifetime, but our collective reason and the inner workings of the universe itself and the karmic bonds that we have formed with soul family that have traveled this journey with us for many many lifetimes. I havent spoken to him in a couple of years and my heart is still broken. I cant stop the regretful feelings. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) I mean, for the 2 people IN the relationship it will be a very impactful connection, but even other people will take notice of this pairing. Thanks a lot Dawn, now I understand it. They feel invisible or alone. Curious about the sexual response (if there will be anything), its friendly. Sun conjunct Neptune is a very difficult thing to live with in a composite chart. Yes its probably the case, but as it is unconscious, how could I manage it , or prevent myself from feeling this ? It doesnt matter. And I dont think you can fully understand Pisces without understanding its relation to Jupiter as well as Neptune. Transit Mercury in the Composite 12th House. Well, his descendant point, and his ascendant ruler both conjunct my natal Lilith in my12 th house, orb2. But I do have one question? so we find the True in each other. In the second house of values, beware . That you both have the Moon in the 12th makes you both sensitive to your surroundings and highly intuitive. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. you are right on target- although I forgot to mention that our trine is in 4th,8th and 12th you are an amazing teacher and your articales on your site have helped me tremendously. The interesting thing is that we have a very unconventional relationship, mainly as friends and close allies in a spiritual cause (with the mission of saving the world, essentially), but with a new dimension of intense emotional and physical intimacy. It depends on your Venus ' condition. What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. I know this man will be in my life as long as I can imagine. With a lot of respect for all of your work and wishing you all the best. The Autumn Schedule is Here! It's time for the wave to return to the ocean. I have learned to surrender much but our relationship isnt surviving, we cant let go altogether and cant seem to be together. I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. Mysterious things attract you. With composite Pluto in their 9th house, danger lies in dogmatism. As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. The south node lies there on the natal composite. This person and I believe were soulmates, and I would go further to say were twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. Transit Venus in the Composite 12th House. I love him more than Ive ever loved any man I knew immediately. Anything different there? In synastry, the house the Moon is in will show the area of life that someone touches another on a deep and personal level. It also works the other way. My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. His north node in his 12th in pisces which means he will have to travel from a more material existence to a spiritual one in his lifetime, but that could take another 20 years. Also my moon is conjuct to his sun both ways. What you said about compo Sun/Neptune is very interesting Please I would like to know Dawn,according to you it is important to notice what this compo Sun/Neptune conjuncts in each individual charts, to determine more precisely how each person is going to feed this confusing Sun /Neptune by his/her personal points .? Lilith here can even be drawn to cults. Obviously, I thought this man was my soulmate. 4) Conjunctions to the Axis/Angles = very strong bond. venus all in the 12th house. Though many of the things you have said have been true, and there are challenges, I know we are committed to knowing each other and spending this precious time together. Bright blessings to you. Even the sexual draw of 8th house connections can be replaced by more of them down the road, or by the excitement of the 5th. We have our composite sun in 12th house, along with saturn. My english is not very good. Lilith in 8 th house composite. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. I met her near the end of my Saturn return (Cancer in the 4th house) and I am aware of deep wounds in me around my need for nurturing and I wonder if my neediness in this area may have something to do with it all. Aghh! mercury and mercury conj. The twelfth house is associated with hidden emotions, and Lilith's influence adds an extra layer of complexity to this placement. It might hold your answers, if you know how to read it properly. I can say with absolute confidence that you perfectly captured the essence of this energy. In the composite only our venus and moon are conjunct in the 12th. Your article is amazing! Venus is the planet of love which makes him lovable by his likable behavior and persuasive way of talking. We go down a lot of wrong alleyways. Sun/Uranus conjunct in the 1st. The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. In reality, 12th house people tend to believe it doesn't matter what they do. Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! Thank you. I had to spend years unlearning what love is to me and settle with how individuals differ in what we value in a relationship. This is a complicated question and needs a subtle analysis in the chart, but on the whole, planets in the first house side of the angle center around the development of a healthy sense of Self, of ego, whereas planets on the 12th house side of the angle will be dealing with karma surrounding ego choices, and the planets will take on a more archetypal energy and effect. What should i do? Now, you can either say its karma, or you can say that person A is psychologically hooking onto the archetype formed with person Bs chart, but whatever it is, it can be a very powerful pull. And yes, you need to put the natal charts around the composite to see how this is going to affect the individuals. I feel sad about that. a strong karmic tie is indicated in the 12th house, or in the other water houses 4,8. If the fears arent dealt with (and the fears include loss of all kinds), it can get projected and the world itself can become the enemy. That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. The house is famous for being the house of self-undoing, but it can also be the house where we find our fame and fortune. You can use this to your . You will both be changed deeply by it. In composite, we have sun, mercury and part of fortune in the 12th. scares me a bit. And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. Sorry, I cant respond to lists of aspects. . Together, they like to dive deeper and deeper into unknown and mysterious beliefs, cultures, territories, and ideas. So, the composite Venus and Saturn are also in the 12th house. I dont know whether this situation is karma? but the rising is scorpio. me and this guy who dont know each other properly have same ascendants and house cusps natally. We have Sun,mercury,venus and jupiter in 12th house virgo. For whatever reason, you may have a secret relationship . The romantic synastric analysis is the interaction of houses between two birth charts. Mars & NNode in Cancer/10th. But from the first moment I felt and I know he did as well this very big attraction to him. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. cheers:). IP: Logged. What if the composite chart has two strong stelliums: one is made up of the outer planets in the 12th, the other Sun/Mercy/Venus/Juno in the 10th (and moon and mars are in the 8th). What is your thought on this. Is Your experience the same? I do use the Black Moon Lilith in my composites, but what she represents there is a whole article of its own. Everywords pounding in me. I have composite sun and moon in house 12 with my brother. "Composite Chart, Midpoint- method (2)". In contrast, couples who come together to create something for the collective often have the appropriate planets in the composite 12th, there for all to see. In my experience, if you have a good synastry but a difficult composite, the couple get along with one another but have problems establishing the relationship in the outside world. The composite chart with the man Im involved with has an extremely tight Moon/Mars conjunction in the 12th, along with the North Node. We could look at each other and read one anothers minds, but not in a way where you hear words or anything. The area of the 12th house in which Black Moon Lilith makes a person experience their unconscious fears, pain, shame, and denial relates to their spiritual transcendence, self-undoing, and their ability to dive deeper into the mysteries of life.. That is why this article discusses a potentially enlightening topic. She says that she has been uncertain about her attraction to me from the beginning and is just really confused because she does love me. But exploring worlds during sex, soul bonding, feeling understood at a deep level, feeling at home in the spirit of the world, higher purpose together, channeling together, these are all things ive felt with my boyfriend and our 12th house energies. (I have my moon in Scorpio in the 12th house along with Saturn and Pluto). He knows me better than I know myself at times. The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. We are both married similar age kids. When Pluto is conjunct the North Node, our mistakes can be more dramatic and our adjustments have to be greater. (We also have some 4th and 8th house synastry with me as the planet person, and 3 planets in the composite 4th). I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. Struggling against our own unconscious is not an easy thing They rip the rug from under you every other day. Lilith in the 12th house are really good at hiding their "lilith" nature and because of this they are usually popular. At all. I am a pisces sun, mercury, mars. You are great!!!!!!!!!!! I dont have enough information, but the chart emphasis leads me to believe that you are right in your analysis, that the partnership finds its life in the upper houses. We need strong, healthy egos to accomplish what weve come to do in this life, but we need to act according to what is wanted of us, not against it. The Sun person sees in the 11th house person someone, who they can spend pleasant time with. So beautifully written Dawn. And yes, with Uranus squaring, the tendency would be to want to break away rather than face what is wrong. The Sun and Moon in the 7th house are especially encouraging for a new relationship (if you're single) because your main focus for the year (the Sun) plus your emotional concerns will be united in that area. And 1 more thing HIS VENUS opposes my vertex and my sun, venus and mercury on his ASC conjucts his Venus! Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. I think this is SO true . Can you say anything on the north node transiting the twelfth house on a composite? We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. And they might move next year to another town because of their son so I am already dying from the thought that I will not see him after that. Do you think that is true? Moon and Mars both Trine Uranus. Im in hawaii for a month, after he broke up with me for the last time, trying to get my strength and sanity back and assure myself that you should not have to TRY so hard for things to work, when these 12th issues come up to work on. Mars is involved too, which would indicate that passion, anger and aggression can be triggered by the darker, more unconscious feelings that emerged when the . Mercury in 12th House. We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. Could I ask Your opinion? I thought that because of the 8th house or vertex, I forced him to confront his own dark side. The eight house is the house of Scorpio, and alongside the twelfth house is the most spiritual and mysterious. He seems very able to detach himself and move to the future. When transit Mars is in the composite 12th house, you may become aware of subconscious drivers and motivators in your relationship, and this can help you gain a better understanding of one another.
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